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Signs are the Airbnb battle has been lost
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It looks very much like the NSW government is going to cave in to Airbnb bullies and follow the Victorian legislators down the road of a laissez faire attitude to holiday letting in your homes. And, adding insult to injury, they are going to call it a crackdown.

If a report in last night’s Channel Nine news is to be believed, the NSW Cabinet is about to recommend allowing holiday lets wherever anyone wants to put them,  dealing with problems with a pathetic “after the horse has bolted” imaginary restriction on badly behaved guests and hosts.

And the long and loud protests from us- the people who will have to live, literally, with the fall-out from these flawed policies – have been dismissed as a “storm in a teacup”.

You have to give some credibility to the story; leaking to news media is how the government gets its policies out into the public so it can test the water before committing to a course of action.

And, in dutifully repeating the convenient Airbnb PR lie that this is a “crackdown”, they are covering up the truth – the shackles will be off,  your strata home will not be not your own any more and your apartment block could turn into a hotel before your eyes.

In this news report at least, there is no differentiation made between houses and apartments.  This tallies with other observation made by insiders who have had discussions with policy makers.

This is no great surprise. Whether its aluminium cladding or dodgy developers phoenixing from one fraudulent scheme to the next, this government, like every other one before it, doesn’t give a stuff about apartment owners and tenants provided we keep buying units from their developer mates.

But let’s hope the Channel Nine story isn’t true – it wouldn’t be the first time.  For a start, it’s wrong to say Airbnb isn’t regulated – smart apartment owners have kept it at bay in blocks in Sydney where it’s not wanted. And there are regulations in place in the form of council planning laws, but our councils have chosen not to enforce them.

But it sounds like all that is about to be swept away. It’s a strange crackdown that removes the last meaningful controls from a burgeoning industry.

And we just have to look at Melbourne where there are no restrictions even at strata block level. There there’s been a 75 percent increase in Airbnb usage over the past year, according to InsideAirbnb.com.

Maybe there’s still hope.  If Airbnb and Uber have taught us anything, it’s that if enough people break the law, a gutless government like ours will change it.  Time to stock up on glue guns and padlocks, methinks.

And when election time rolls around, we’ll remember who it was that handed our homes over to a company that snuggles up to our more gullible politicians and makes millions while barely paying tax in this country.  Parasites and predators, as Melbourne radio host Jon Faine memorably called them.

 

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I am, I hope, a good landlord, tolerant and flexible! Unfortunately I had to rent a place for six months. The agency and landlord were excellent until I left! They wouldn’t give me my bond back! I had paid the agency’s cleaners to clean the place from top to bottom. They did a very good job except for one stain. I had paid the agency’s cleaners $440 to clean everything and the carpets. At inspection I was told that the stain would be taken up with the cleaners. BUT OH NO! The agency said I had to pay an extra $220. When I refused and said I was going to the Tenancy Tribunal they threatened to counter claim because I had had a dog on the premises. Yes, true bit not full time only when my daughter brought her over. I am off to the Tribunal on Monday. I will not be threatened or intimidated. I hope I will win. What does FLAT CHAT think?
In my years as a landlord I’ve had good and bad tenants. I hope my good nature with all of the tenants will come good on Monday in my favour.

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It beggars belief that a Government could possibly contemplate not allowing residential strata schemes to ‘self-determine’ whether or not they want their homes converted to a holiday unit complex.

How could they think some form of centralised regulation could ever work well across the thousands of strata schemes each differing in size, location, age, amenities and so on? The strata legislation recognises the need for each scheme to self regulate almost every aspect of strata living because each scheme is unique. However, for some reason (and Jimmy has suggested one) this principle is abandoned in this instance.

And how is Government going to ensure that any centralised scheme is going to be enforced? Who is going to ‘count the days’ each apartment is let for holiday purposes apart from AirBnB etc to ensure that the Victorian style law is going to be complied with? The self regulation model of strata already provides a mechanism to establish and enforce by-laws (albeit imperfect) with the incentives to regulate with the people directly affected.

Pity help the poor residents who thought they were buying a residential apartment as their home only to find strangers stalking their once secure corridors and ‘taking over’ the facilities such as the courtyard pool that they pay for with their strata levies.

Unless there is a turnaround this one will fester undermining the already questionable option of strata living for many. And there are many people across the state living in strata now, all of whom vote.

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https://theconversation.com/airbnb-whos-in-whos-out-and-what-this-tells-us-about-rental-impacts-in-sydney-and-melbourne-95865

You might like to take a look at this new article on “The Conversation” website.

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Policy making parts of our respective governments should be reading:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/23/unwelcome-guests-airbnb-cities-battle-over-illegal-short-term-rentals.html

“The easiest way to stop all of this is if the home-sharing platforms simply didn’t send people into these neighborhoods…”

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Maybe not fully lost with today’s announcement, but a couple of questions
– what is the definition of ‘an owner living in a property’? They don’t own somewhere else? What if an owner goes overseas for 2 months and does airbnb for there house whilst they’re away ? Does this comply? what if they go overseas for 6 months? Does this comply? Over 12 months or even longer. Does this comply?
-where can we read the full text?
-is the announcement set in stone or can airbnb and others influence change to proposed legislation?

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Worst thing is tenants are in the box seats, especially if in a majority, according to one story, and owners  still the suckers, could that be the gist of it ??

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BONNIE L said
Worst thing is tenants are in the box seats, especially if in a majority, according to one story, and owners  still the suckers, could that be the gist of it ??  

How can tenants be “in the box seat”?  They don’t even get to vote. I’d be interested to see a link to the story you are quoting. 

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Hey Minister Matt Kean, you’re quietly sneaking legislation before Parliament?  You’re being watched.  These are our homes, our suburbs, our communities:

https://www.neighboursnotstrangers.com/single-post/2018/06/07/Sweeping-Legislative-Changes-Put-to-NSW-Parliament

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Follow the money.

The cynic in me sees that short term rentals will be supported by each of the State governments because there is a ‘buck’ to be made by the government from it. The ‘bucks’ will come from taxes on the money earned from the rentals, provisional tax, possible GST (depending upon the services offered), and in Capital Gains Taxes when the properties are sold. 

However, undeclared short term rentals have the potential to ‘fly under the radar’ of the ATO and become part of the ‘black economy’.

Owners who let out their apartments on a short term basis need to become aware of the consequences of their actions, and should obtain legal and financial advice before they do so.

An unaware owner who decides to rent their property on a short term basis may find that capital gains tax liabilities might end up overwhelming any income made from renting it out. If the unaware owner is on a pension then their pension may be impacted. Is it really worth it in the end?

Do you suspect that some owners in your building are renting out their apartments on a short term basis and may not be complying with their ATO  obligations? What are you going to do about it? 

https://www.etax.com.au/airbnb-tax-information/

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Lady Penelope

ATO line indeed helps. https://www.etax.com.au/airbnb-tax-information/

Follow the money?

State MPs have property listed on Land and Environment Court Orders together with a Penal Notice.

Deputy Premier John Barilaro’s wife gets $1,849/night for her Airbnb pad.  Barilaro has numerous properties which he now (after being caught out) lists on his Parliamentary register.  Note he’s sold his unit in Hoskins Place – building is full of STRs + State Politicians.  Barilaro hasn’t responded to questions over which other properties he might/does not STR.

One the the biggest facilitators of STRs in NSW is an Official branch of the NSW Government – DestinationNSW.  Their website offers portals and direct links to literally thousands of Expedia/Airbnb residential properties.  The NSW Premier and Ministers have closed down on this and won’t reply to any correspondence.

Kinda think the whole ‘process’ has been a stitch up from the very start.  If you’d sat through the Parliamentary hearings…the STR mob were a ‘shoe in’ from the very beginning.

Strata?  Residential Development Approvals now worth absolute crock. 

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