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dan
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26/05/2018 - 9:27 am
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Hello All,

I came home from work and noticed a large amount of the common property lawn outside a nearby villa has been removed and the area prepared with formwork for concrete.

The lot owner and son, both fairly intimidating characters have been parking their cars in front of their garage and this adjacent grassed area since they moved in last year. 

Last year as Secretary of the SC I approached them about not parking on the lawn as it was damaging it. I explained that they should be parking in their garage and that extra vehicles should be parked on the street as should their visitors vehicles. Unfortunately nothing improved so I asked our strata manager to write to them warning that the next step would be the OC issuing a notice to comply.

I had a motion to issue a notice to comply included for our AGM.  I also got quotes for bollards to stop the parking on the lawn and presented this motion at the AGM. I provided photos of the cars and the damaged lawn at the AGM however after a heated debate both motions were rejected by the majority of owners. The villa owner also attended the meeting and was rather hostile saying there were more important issues than parking to worry about – totally ignoring the issue of the damaged lawn.

Most owners have numerous vehicles and park on common property in front of their garages, which the majority of our OC have decided isn’t an issue when it causes no damage and doesn’t impact anyone else. However now we fast forward to this week and the grassed area has been dug up.  No OC meeting held and no approval sought for this land grab.

I have sent an email to the Strata Manager advising that this unauthorised work is currently occuring and that if the OC chooses to ignore the proper process for dealing with this issue I will be taking the OC to Fair Trading. I have received no response, how long should I wait and what should I do next?

After four years I chose not to sit on the SC this year. 

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27/05/2018 - 2:25 pm
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Please don’t wait, the owner is appropriating property that doesn’t belong to them for their own use. They are also changing/damaging common property.

It sounds like the OC is useless so make an application for an urgent order to stop them and require them to restore the common property.

http://www.ncat.nsw.gov.au/Doc…..cation.pdf

I think this is the second time I have suggested this in a week, I don’t think it is me, I can’t believe what people think they can get away with.

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27/05/2018 - 8:27 pm
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Thank you for your response.

I’ve had a look at the NCAT interim orders form and note that all details in the application would be provided to all parties.  This means that a very intimidating man and his adult son would know that the application was made by me as I would be listed as the applicant and he’d be the respondent. He would also have all my contact details including phone and email from the application.

While it is obvious that this owner is making an unauthorised land grab for more illegal parking I would feel very uncomfortable once he knew that I personally applied for the interim orders against him and not the OC. Is there anyway I can get the OC to progress this?

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I think you’re best placed to answer that – you have indicated the OC hasn’t shown any interest previously. Have you called the strata manager?

You have to consider how important you believe this is. I stuck my neck out and pursued a matter a number of years ago – it made me very unpopular at the time, but I believed the issue was more important than what random people thought of me.

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The Strata Manager has advised that the Strata Committee initiated this unauthorised change to common property and not the lot owner. After my email threatening to go to Fair Trading, the SM has advised that the work has stopped and the SC has been advised to hold an Extraordinary General Meeting.

Sadly it seems that rather than follow the legislation and deal with continued by-law breaches the new SC has decided to reward lot owners and their visitors who illegally park on common property by using OC funds to pay for the removal of established lawn areas and concreting them, so that lot owners and their visitors can continue to illegally park on common property.

I’m at a total loss to see how if this alteration to common property if approved it would improve or enhance the common property for the rest of us.

I am concerned it would set a very dangerous precedence. Will other residents who continue to park on the lawn also be rewarded with lawn near them converted to concrete for them to illegally park on.

Over the years various real estate agents who have appraised my property have commented that the cars parking on the lawn makes our complex look like housing commission.

I’ve told owners this at the AGM when my motion to issue notices to comply was defeated.

I’d appreciate any ideas on how to stop this, would I have a case to present at NCAT?

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  Presumably no one involved with the exception of at least someone associated with the Strata Mgr’s. has any understanding of Strata law so you may be able to buy time i.e. if the EGM doesn’t get a quorum or more likely they fail to make the item a Special Resolution thus rendering any vote invalid.  Your view of whether replacing a grassed area with concrete (probably soon to have oil stains) enhances the block is worth whatever your unit entitlements add up to but legally those approving of concrete require 75% agreement of those who attend (including proxies) a properly convened meeting.

   It would appear from what you have stated that there are grounds for the Owners Corp. to explore litigation against whoever authorized the destruction of common property thus far which presumably also included mis-appropriation of money i.e. legal appropriation=approval by special resolution anything else=mis-appropriation.

  You might also politely ask the Strata Mgr. whether anything in the contract states or implies that they provide advice as to the legality of any action prior to it’s commencement.  Or maybe you can leverage some of all this to get the OC to pay for screening. 

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Thank you Dech for you response.

The EGM agenda arrived yesterday and the motion is a special resolution to replace the grass with concrete. Interestingly a P.S. is included in the motion that in the event the motion is not approved reinstating the grassed area will cost approx $3000.

Would I be able to get the motion declared out of order at the EGM because the sole purpose of this change to common property is to allow a lot owner to continue to illegally park on common property which is a breach of one of our bylaws. I certainly can’t see any motion giving anyone exclusive rights to park anywhere. If this tack fails could I get an order at NCAT? 

I’ve got a motion on the agenda to issue Notices to comply to the lot owner and other residents who are also currently parking on our lawns, so I doubt I’ll be popular at the EGM, however I don’t want this precedent to occur – removing lawn to allow for illegal parking on common property will only devalue the complex. 

If people come to their senses and the motion is not passed and the grass is reinstated how can I get the SC to pay rather than the OC since it was the SC that didn’t follow proper procedures and commenced this work without OC approval? 

Hopefully someone can suggest some ideas I can explore.

Thank you  

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   This sounds like a Third world village type of situation; NSW law may protect you from losing your home but if not even one more than a quarter of Owners who vote disagree (or feel intimidated by the “big men” to not vote) with giving away common property and spending probably hundreds of dollars each to concrete over grass then welcome to my world.

  A few possibilities come to mind; presumably everyone concerned is aware that you are the objector so the advice given in “Hamlet” may apply viz: “Beware Of entrance to a quarrel, but being in, Bear’t that the opposed may beware of thee”.  

1.  Ask the secretary to send out a new/revised EGM agenda or at least a note advising that the $3K re-instatement cost will not be bourne by the OC but by whomever authorized the work and they may also bear legal costs should they wish to dispute this (I suspect someone will find a “mate” who can do it for far less cost/ request something like this on an interim order and or the mediation/ and NCAT order which I think are mandatory with the interim order (call Fair Trading for conformation on 133220 there is only a two min. wait in my experience) ; this blackmail like element in particular is a gross affront to the rule of law and should get a strong response from NCAT.

2.  New/modified agenda that the common property be sold to the parkers at market rates.

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I don’t know what state you are in or council area but in NSW most council areas have a ratio of hard to soft surfaces that cannot be exceeded. It is done to minimise and control stormwater. Most developers use as much hard surface as possible – this includes any buildings so any increase in hard surface is often not possible as it will make the hard surface exceed this ratio and so the development will be non compliant. In most medium or high density areas in NSW any change to soft to hard surface needs a DA at least.

I would contact your local council and ask to speak to the duty planner. They should be able to tell you if the Owners Corporation needs to submit a DA. If the OC needs to submit a DA at the very least this will give you time to discuss the implications with other owners.

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Thanks for the advice, I had emailed council a few weeks ago and haven’t heard back. I’ll phone up and speak with the duty planner as you have suggested.

I’ve just looked over the financial report that was sent out with the EGM agenda and note that our Secretary wasn’t financial for the previous quarter – we have an EC of just two. There hasn’t been any EC meetings this year however OC funds have been used for new sandstone garden beds for certain lots owners, these garden beds are new and never existed before.  These changes to common property were never discussed or agreed to. I’ve emailed the strata manager and asked him to add these to the agenda for discussion however the work has already been done and paid for with OC funds. 

It appears these selfish lot owners who continually park on the lawns seem to have been rewarded by the SC with lovely new garden beds and no one wants to issue anyone a notice to comply to stop parking on the lawns…. 

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