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How could smoking possibly NOT be a 'hazardous nuisance'?
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Dragandeewhy
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14/12/2014 - 1:06 am
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PeterC said

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A push biker will openly show discomfort in the presence of a person who smokes while he or she inhales with the full capacity of his her lungs the fumes of peak hour traffic, thinking that he is living a healthy life style. Etc etc etc.

I am sure your hypothetical cyclist would much prefer that the other vehicles on the road were other cyclists or electric vehicles not producing the fumes.

But they are not , so?   This is about apartment living not cyclists versus cars.

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Dragondeewhy – this discussion, like cigarette smoke, seems to have drifted away from the original source, and from my perspective at least it’s becoming a bit tiresome, and your habit of including the entirety of previous threads as a quote, with older quotes within, doesn’t help (I’ve fixed #20).

We’ve progressed from people farting in the lift, to the smoke from BBQs, to people smoking on common property, to being influenced by “mass psichology” (sic), to vehicles’ exhaust smoke, and now to the legalised use of marijuana.

Enough is enough for me….. can we please get back to strata-related topics?

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Dragandeewhy said
We obviously do not understand each other. You come from one side of ideological thinking I come from the side of “live and let live”. 

I think I understand you perfectly – your attitude isn’t live and let live, though, it’s let me live the way I want and let others die if that happens to be their luck.

To get back to how this affects apartment living, if people aren’t prepared to tolerate the presence of other people in close proximity, and put up with some of their idiosyncracies, then they shouldn’t be living in apartments.

But there have to be limits and they include respecting other people’s property, their privacy and not causing a nuisance. If your libertarian sense of freedom is offended by the minor and perfectly reasonable restrictions that inevitably places on your behaviour, go and live in a house where you won’t bother anyone and they won’t bother you.

To paraphrase the judge who banned a couple from smoking INSIDE their unit in Sydney, because the smoke was affecting neighbouring apartments, the issue only arose because the couple smoked; in other words, “no smoke, no problem”.

Smoking is a foul and filthy habit and passive smoking kills.  Trying to justify inflicting one person’s smoke on another with fatuous arguments about the level of pollution already in our lives is missing the point, I suspect deliberately. 

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Whale said
Dragondeewhy – this discussion, like cigarette smoke, seems to have drifted away from the original source, and from my perspective at least it’s becoming a bit tiresome, and your habit of including the entirety of previous threads as a quote, with older quotes within, doesn’t help (I’ve fixed #20).

We’ve progressed from people farting in the lift, to the smoke from BBQs, to people smoking on common property, to  being influenced by “mass psichology” (is sic), to vehicles’ exhaust smoke, and now to the legalised use of marijuana.

Enough is enough for me….. can we please get back to strata-related topics?

Agree but as Internet forums go one thread might end up in totally different direction.  The thread is usually owned by the person who started it and he should keep the direction of the thread. Enough from me in this thread.

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https://www.justice.qld.gov.au/corporate/community-consultation/community-consultation-activities/current-activities/review-of-property-law-in-queensland

 

Queensland is taking on this issue.  Oh and parking, pets, overcrowding,  recovery of unpaid levies and scheme termination. You know,  just the easy topics.

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Queenslander said
https://www.justice.qld.gov.au/corporate/community-consultation/community-consultation-activities/current-activities/review-of-property-law-in-queensland

 

Queensland is taking on this issue.  Oh and parking, pets, overcrowding,  recovery of unpaid levies and scheme termination. You know,  just the easy topics.

Interesting reading and has many similarities with NSW much-delayed efforts to do the same. Interesting though that the report cites the inability to create by-laws restricting pets.  Owners in Queensland are starting from along way behind the eight-ball if they can’t even create a workable pets by-law.
 

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