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    millswills1
    Flatchatter

      Hello I live in Sydney and I am new to apartment living. I recently noticed a unit two floors above mine has a retractable awning installed on the underside of the balcony above theirs. I asked the strata manager if he could ask the committee if I could attach one in the same position on the balcony above my courtyard and he told me they said no. Can I do anything further about this or do I just have to accept their decision, despite someone else having an awning?

      thanks

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    • #28459
      Jimmy-T
      Keymaster

        Put up a written proposal asking for a special resolution by-law allowing you to install an awning on common property, accepting the condition that you will maintain and repair the awning and the common property to which it is attached.

        If they refuse, inform the strata manager (or committee, if you have one) that you plan to take action under section 232 (2) (below) for failure to exercise a function.

        If they still say no, or don’t take steps to have the other awning removed, seek mediation then take them to NCAT.

        Section 232 (2) Failure to exercise a function

        For the purposes of this section, an owners corporation, strata committee or building management committee is taken not to have exercised a function if:

        (a)  it decides not to exercise the function, or

        (b)  application is made to it to exercise the function and it fails for 2 months after the making of the application to exercise the function in accordance with the application or to inform the applicant that it has decided not to exercise the function in accordance with the application.

        The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
        #28464
        millswills1
        Flatchatter
        Chat-starter

          @JimmyT said:
          Put up a written proposal asking for a special resolution by-law allowing you to install an awning on common property, accepting the condition that you will maintain and repair the awning and the common property to which it is attached.

          If they refuse, inform the strata manager (or committee, if you have one) that you plan to take action under section 232 (2) (below) for failure to exercise a function.

          If they still say no, or don’t take steps to have the other awning removed, seek mediation then take them to NCAT.

          Section 232 (2) Failure to exercise a function

          For the purposes of this section, an owners corporation, strata committee or building management committee is taken not to have exercised a function if:

          (a)  it decides not to exercise the function, or

          (b)  application is made to it to exercise the function and it fails for 2 months after the making of the application to exercise the function in accordance with the application or to inform the applicant that it has decided not to exercise the function in accordance with the application.

            

          Thanks JimmyT. Should I contact the committee directly? I emailed the strata manager and he said he would ask the committee but I was not copied on any correspondence. He just told me they said no. Also I am on the committee, Can I vote on my own special resolution by-law regarding the awning? I was able to vote for a by-law regarding my own bathroom renovation at the last AGM.

          #28465
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            The committee can’t say no without holding a meeting – and as you are a member you should have been informed of the meeting and given the opportunity to state your case.

            Sounds like this is one of those ad hoc committees of two or three where the strata manager, chair and secretary just make decisions – totally against the regulations.

            Submit your by-law and a letter requesting a decision as soon as possible to the secretary and the strata manager.  They will inevitably tell you that you’ll need to wait until the next AGM, but if that’s too far away, inform them that you will be seeking orders under section 232 (and will do so anyway if it’s rejected at the meeting).

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #28467
            millswills1
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Thanks a lot for your help JimmyT, much appreciated.

              #28471
              millswills1
              Flatchatter
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                @JimmyT said:
                The committee can’t say no without holding a meeting – and as you are a member you should have been informed of the meeting and given the opportunity to state your case.

                Sounds like this is one of those ad hoc committees of two or three where the strata manager, chair and secretary just make decisions – totally against the regulations.

                Submit your by-law and a letter requesting a decision as soon as possible to the secretary and the strata manager.  They will inevitably tell you that you’ll need to wait until the next AGM, but if that’s too far away, inform them that you will be seeking orders under section 232 (and will do so anyway if it’s rejected at the meeting).  

                Just one other thing, the SM obtained a quote for replacing some unit entry doors in my building as they have asbestos. Should this have been discussed with the committee also? I found about it by accident and then I heard the doors have been ordered but I wasn’t included in any discussion on this either.

                #28480
                Sir Humphrey
                Strataguru

                  If the SM is proactive and gets a quote for something they recommend, that sounds good to me. Then they can better advise the committee more fully. But no, they shouldn’t be placing the order without at least an OK from the treasurer. 

                  #28489
                  millswills1
                  Flatchatter
                  Chat-starter

                    Yes I agree entirely replacing asbestos doors is essential and I am happy it is happening I just wasn’t sure if that sort of thing should be run by the entire committee. I assume it was discussed with the treasurer. Thanks for your response SirHumphrey

                    #28492
                    Sir Humphrey
                    Strataguru

                      @millswills1 said:
                      Yes I agree entirely replacing asbestos doors is essential and I am happy it is happening I just wasn’t sure if that sort of thing should be run by the entire committee. I assume it was discussed with the treasurer. Thanks for your response SirHumphrey  

                      Probably a grey area. If there is an approved budget in place for maintenance that could reasonably include this then it might be fine for the treasurer to just OK it. I’d prefer that the treasurer keeps the rest of the committee informed about anything like this that is more than a trivial expense. The committee has a responsibility to supervise the treasurer and SM. 

                      Also depends a bit on how proactive the committee is and the extent to which things are explicitly and specifically delegated (ideally) or just vaguely left to the SM to do their best (less ideal). Some places just leave everything to the SM and get upset if they don’t just get on with it. Other places get upset if the committee has not given explicit approval before the SM spends anything. Cultures vary!  Better to be clear and ask if in doubt.

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