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  • #7510
    struggler
    Flatchatter

    We have a few residents who like to hang their laundry on drying racks in their garages.  This is within their lots.  Though there are sometimes items of laundry hanging from garage doors, which is common property.

    The bylaw referring to laundry reads “an owner or occupier..must not..hang any washing…..in such a way as to be visible from outside building other than on any lines provided by the owners corporation…”

    We are a complex of townhouses.  So does outside the building mean from the driveway?  We all have our own clothes lines so the owners corp doesn't provide any.

    This is where I believe bylaws should have “appendix A” etc to distinguish one strata from another.  Definition of “outside building” would mean one thing for an apartment block, another for this?  Do we take this to mean outside the individual unit or from the street?  Can residents argue that the OC should provide lines that facilitate drying better in the colder weather?

    As I struggled to nagivate through the myriad of clothes drying racks positioned around my unit, I do sympathise with the plight of drying washing in this cold, grey weather with the prospect rising power prices.  I do not, however, wish my home and its surrounds looking similar to a street market in Bali.

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  • #16827
    Anonymous

    Gee whiz JimmyT, moderator, I’ve only stated a different point of view a couple of times in my Flat Chat history, on maybe a couple of different issues and just look at what happens to me when I do!

    Well, I suppose it IS your forum.

    I notice Arpartmentalize realised he had, at the least, quoted me out of context and reneged slightly, though I wonder what he means by “those with an agenda”.

    I do hope you will look up ‘clothes drying on apartment balconies’ on Google Images. I’m looking forward to a thread on satellite dishes for balconies too. 

    And thanks for clueing-me-up on how I’m misusing expressions too. I can’t wait to add that Urban Dictionary to my Apps either.

    But on a more serious note, you accuse me of “deliberately polarising the discussion just for the hell of it???” Maaaatttte???

    #16828
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

    @Juan Durection said:

    But on a more serious note, you accuse me of “deliberately polarising the discussion just for the hell of it???”

    I referred to “people” deliberately polarising the the discussion …  If I had meant you I would have said you. 

    Good example of quoting out of context and verballing though.

    What a waste of time and space this is.  No more!

    #16829
    Anonymous

    Boys, as a newbie here at Flat Chat, does anyone really think hanging washing on balconies looks nice? Personally, I’d hate it if someone did that when I was selling my apartment, or I saw it attending an ‘open for inspection’ to buy or lease. I’d walk right on past.

    BTW, having waded through the posts on this topic just now, I think Juan was entitled to think you were accusing him of of “deliberately polarising the discussion just for the hell of it” JimmyT. Everyone has really gone for him.

    #16833
    FlatChatFan
    Flatchatter

    Morticia,  there are ‘girls’ as well as boys who contribute to Flat Chat.

    Contributors to this thread have given a range of opinions and while washing on all sorts of makeshift or removable lines or airers may not ‘look’ good, I think that we can get used to anything.

    Sydney has had a very cold winter and a hot summer is predicted with possible power worker strikes.  Our latest electricity bill is the highest it has ever been because we needed heaters on for a longer period.  Many people can not afford the latest in heating or cooling and so use more power hungry methods, and try to save electricity by not using dryers for their clothes.

    Maybe Owners Corporations need to look at ways to help people dry clothes in the sun so that is not so ‘in your face’.  Older blocks had clothes drying areas but allocation of lines at convenient times, and sometimes theft was a problem.  Most modern blocks do not have a yard although maybe the roof area could be modified?

    Instead of seeing red tiles when flying into Sydney, travellers would be welcomed by flapping washing!  Cool

    #16836
    Anonymous

    Good on you FlatChatFan, constructive post I thought. Perhaps you and maybe  others besides me have taken Juan’s suggestion and Googled ‘clothes drying on apartment balconies’ and not enamoured with what they saw

    #16848
    scotlandx
    Strataguru

    I am a big fan of washing lines.  To me there is nothing nicer than washing dried in the sun and fresh air, rather than being tumbled around in a hot box.  From an environmental and power use point of view, I don’t understand why people would opt for a drier, when they have a free alternative available to them that is kinder on their clothes etc.  Of course not everyone has that option available to them, but we do have a clothesline and almost everyone here shares my view. 

    There is one person who doesn’t like the clothesline.  They recently sabotaged it so when I was hanging the washing the one end of it came crashing down on my head.  Now that is just stupid and childish and if they think this will convince us to get rid of the clothesline, they have another think coming.

    I don’t think washing hung on a hoist for a brief period of time is offensive, provided it is brought in when it is dry, it is only washing.

    #16800
    cdinoz
    Flatchatter

    I live on the ground floor of a 6 storey block, with a small “balcony” (as my tenancy agreement describes, but I’m sure legally is a “courtyard”). 

    We have a small clothes-horse that we put out when the weather is good – no smalls on the thing, is just those big ticket items you just know will shrink in the tumble dryer… jeans, shirts etc etc … No washing dangling over a wall to common land, all washing neatly inside the courtyard.

    Over the past 12 months I have had 3 letters from the Strata Manager with accompanying pics of the drying out clothes.

    Now, someone has to push their camera through the trees and bushes that surround my “ground floor balcony” to take this images. The lst letter (3 months ago) threatened “legal action”.

    Nothing as yet inviting me to mediation (which I think is actually the correct process) – and a letter from the strata manager telling me that the “apartment has a built in tumble dryer for a purpose – use it”.

    I am waiting for the next pic, which will accompany me to the police station with proof of peeping tom once I ascertain who took the photo.

    #16856

    I am interested to know what others think of this issue please.

    We have 4 lots in our strata plan.  We also have a huge grassy backyard.

    Opening onto this back yard is the side door of a garage of Lot 1, the side door of a garage of Lot 2, the door of the common laundry and the back door of the residence of Lot 4.  Lot 4 is also 2 storey & has a rear balcony overlooking this common back yard.  (Lot 4 also has a front balcony overlooking a grassy but much smaller yard that is also in front of the other 3 lots and is visible from the street).

    The owner of Lot 4 states objections to a common clothes line in this common back yard with a common laundry opening onto it because it would spoil their view of the back yard.

    Interestingly, there is a small wall clothes line in the side yard but it is in the shade and is not enough for all residents BUT the owner (wife/mother of a family of 4 people) of Lot 4 whom is the only resident home all day, uses and monopolises this clothes line with 2-3 loads every single day & hangs washing out late at night to use most of the line before those whom are working full time, can get to it.

    What do you think about this?  Unreasonable?  Valid reason?

    #13304
    struggler
    Flatchatter
    Chat-starter

    Just to clarify the washing line situation here further,  owners do have balconies and their own individual washing lines here.  But they don't seem to want to use them.  So this washing is outside my front door.  I don't have to lean over a balcony, I just open my door and bingo there it is.  I wouldn't even mind so much if it was on a washday during the week.  But it is just about everyday.  So I keep my front door shut and my the blinds on front rooms  closed so I don't get flanellettes flapping in my face. 

    I wonder if all these residents do this because if it were on their balconies or clothes lines they would have to look at their washing everyday.  With it in the garage, they don't see it.  But everyone else does.

    I have lived in an apartment previously.  People did put their washing on their balconies.  If I leant over I could see this.  But I could walk out onto my balcony and sit at my table and not see it.  So it was really only there if you looked.  Here, I can't look anywhere without seeing it. 

    #14216
    struggler
    Flatchatter
    Chat-starter

    We received this week a letter from the SM stating that drying washing in garages with garage doors open was not allowed.  Someone has complained about this – not me!  Apparently, one of the owners had visitors over who commented on how it was looking like a third world country in this complex.

    I had resorted to shutting blinds and doors and discouraging visitors.  I did show some friends photos of the washing.  Their general reply was “you can't live like that”.  And it was starting to spread through the complex.  We are not talking a drying rack or two, or a line across the garage.  The amount of washing was quite astounding.  It was hanging off the garage door fixtures, off shelves on the wall, on at least four clothes dryers and even lying on the garage door.  And it wasn't one or two days a week but every single day from early until late.  It would have perhaps been tolerable if it was on “wash day” but 7 days a week…..

    Now no one can put their washing in their garage to dry (with the door open).  And it got me thinking.  Previously, before the “laudry” opened across from me, people would occasionally, very occasionally, put their washing in their garage with the door open.  This would only happen with a week of unending rain and a home full of damp clothing.  And really, no one gave this much notice.  It was only when the everyday, all over the place (and going onto common property too) started that shackles were raised.  The actions of a few to the detriment of many.  Isn't it always the way. 

    #14217
    Chopsuey
    Flatchatter

    Has anyone thought of installing a solarventi in their apartment? it might help solve the problem of sticking the washing outside if installed in a bathroom that has an open window.. 

     

    I'm  thinking of installing one in the bathroom so I can get two rooms for the price of one, a washing area and drying room all in one (if strata approves.. problem is I'm not in the top floor).. Don't have to worry about damp towels in the winter or drying washing with the weather forecasted to rain 5 days in a row, rushing home to take in the washing before it rains cats and dogs and then all those hours of sunshine wasted, free warm air in the bathroom keeping the bathroom dry, free of mould and condensation, in the winter when you dry yourself there is constant supply of warm air so you won't get chilled or kiddies get cold.

    You can ditch the dryer and get dry clothes without the clothes falling apart all without effort and electricity..I think it would probably increase the property value since it is maintenance free.

     

    My 2 cents

    #14220
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

    For those who are wondering, this is where to find out what a Solarventi is.

    I can think of a dozen reasons why this might not work for strata developments but it could be a goer for townhouses.

    I'd never heard of such a thing before so obviously I'm neither recommending or endorsing it.  Interesting concept, though

    #16323
    struggler
    Flatchatter
    Chat-starter

    As I am once again confronted with the sight of washing in my face as I enter/exit my front door, I wonder as to just why someone would want to let all the world see their unmentionables.  Though this at the moment may be a good distraction to anyone to the complex in that they may not notice the disrepair and lack of maintenance.  But I digress…..

    In our complex, a townhouse complex, the issue of washing has a different approach.  In a unit block, I believe that if the washing is kept under the railing on the balcony, then one couldn’t clearly see it from the common areas outside and neighbours could only see if they lean over their balconys in most instances. Here, my neighbours have their garage doors open so not only is their washing visible from the street, but from the front doors and windows of neighbours, and everyone has to drive by/walk by with this display at eye level.  But, if they had any common sense, they could close their garage doors 2/3 of the way.  Then it would not be clearly visible from common property, would not be visible at all from the street and neighbours would have to crouch down on all fours to see into their garage, which I would deem a breach of privacy!  An semi open garage door could be for cross ventilation purposes and it would be sufficient to allow an air flow into the garage and facilitate drying.  And no one would or should know it is washing behind that door.

    Another reason I believe should be considered when washing is clearly available is that it can tell someone outside who and how many live in a place and in some cases where they work or what they do for a living.  And in the case of the wide open garages in this complex, it allows access into the units without contest.  No deadlocks, no exterior quality doors.  Just a little interior door, the kind you have into the “powder room” with a little twist lock.  Anyone could just walk in, and they already have a fair idea of  who lives there by having a look at the washing.  

    So should an EC advise residents that this practice of leaving their garages and therefore their homes open to the public may not be in their best interests let alone the issue of the unsightly washing?  Or do we wait until something happens and the residents say “well someone should have told us not to do that”.

    #16324
    Anonymous

    Of course the sight of drying washing visible to the street or from common property (or another apartment) either on a balcony or inside, looks downright trailer-trashy and any well-meaning, altruistic notion that it is alright because of the environmentally negative of clothes dryers is… well… it reminds me of the very funny South Park episode called Smug where all the people driving hybrid cars were portrayed as smug and bent over a lot to smell their own expelled wind with satisfied nods.

    It’s OK to use your dryer occasionally and even better to have a clothes horse or two inside somewhere, out of view especially when you’re out. This works well in any well ventilated area that is not in a thoroughfare such as a hall.

    Better that than have your place look like a trailer park and the value of everyones’ investment in real estate goes down, down, down…

    #16327
    Jimmy-T
    Keymaster

    @Juan Durection said:

    Of course the sight of drying washing visible to the street or from common property (or another apartment) either on a balcony or inside, looks downright trailer-trashy and any well-meaning, altruistic notion that it is alright because of the environmentally negative of clothes dryers is… well… it reminds me of the very funny South Park episode called Smug where all the people driving hybrid cars were portrayed as smug and bent over a lot to smell their own expelled wind with satisfied nods.

    “Of course”?  According to Cartman, perhaps.  I’ll see your “smug” and raise it with “snob”.

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