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  • #8520
    Paddy37
    Flatchatter

      Under a recent Fire Order the OC was required to install hard wired smoke alarms in common areas and in each lot. These replaced the battery operated smoke alarms that each lot had previously installed and these became superfluous.

      Now one owner has placed a motion on the agenda for the next general meeting for each lot owner to pay for the alarm(s) installed in their lot. Does an OC have any right to require lot owners to pay for these? Surely levies should pay this expense?

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    • #17011
      Austman
      Flatchatter

        The OC probably could make each owner pay, but it would seem petty to me.  Because it would become either owner pays directly for the detectors or owner pays the OC (by levy) who pays for the detectors. 

        Having the OC pay for them seems more logical.  And it’s an important Essential Services measure that the whole building benefits from – not just each lot owner.

        The ongoing maintenance of the lot detectors is another matter. The periodic testing (eg 6 monthly), cleaning and battery replacement should generally be the lot owner’s responsibility with the OC perhaps doing a major inspection/test every 10 years or so.  The latest hard-wired detector batteries can last 10 years.

        #17019
        Whale
        Flatchatter

          Austman’s right, but if the Owners Corporation installs the smoke detectors, perhaps so it knows that critical job’s done and done properly, then by default it becomes responsible for the on-going annual maintenance; and that’s probably not such as bad idea either.

          #17020
          Jimmy-T
          Keymaster

            If all the owners have smoke alarms and the Owners Corp pays for their installation and maintanance, then it’s the same as having them all paid for individually (notwithstanding differences in unit entitlements). This argument is another example of the disconnect between the concepts of ‘us’ owners and “them” the ‘strata’ or owners corp (which are the same thing).
            However, somewhere in the dim recesses of my mind is the concept that if the hard-wired smoke alarms connect to a common or chared control panel, the are common property.
            Next, let’s deal with the idea that smoke alarms are a safety measure for everyone and not just an inconvenient luxury for all but those who set fire to their homes.

            The opinions offered in these Forum posts and replies are not intended to be taken as legal advice. Readers with serious issues should consult experienced strata lawyers.
            #17032
            Paddy37
            Flatchatter
            Chat-starter

              Jimmy is correct in that there is not much difference between paying directly or by way of levy. However, in the past 6 months we have had an unusually large number of long term owners selling so have some new owners who I am sure would not be happy to pay for something that was installed when they bought.

              I take the comments made about ongoing maintenance to be an important consideration. As the OC were required to install these smoke alarms I will be pushing for the OC to do the maintenance and to fund these from the levies.

              #17058
              Paul2000
              Flatchatter

                If the smoke alarm is connected to the fire board in the building, it will be part of the common property.

                 

                Item 2.7(j)

                See Memorandum No AG520000 attached to LPI Circular 2011/07


                http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au


                #17067
                Paddy37
                Flatchatter
                Chat-starter

                  The smoke alarms are not connected to a fire board in the building, they are connected to a near by light fitting within each lot.

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